Turbo Timer? Do I Need One?

[x JoKii]

but does anyone have a turbo timer for sale or know where i should get one? or what brand or type. i've been told i should get one, that it would benefit me? first car, first turbo'd car, blah blah. help me out? =/

[ChevSSCamaro67]

What kind of car?

[04srt]

I think he had a GSX or GST...BJ (06MRevo) could help him out, if i was right.

[Joker]

Apexi 401-A971

[x JoKii]

i've got a '94 civic coupe w/ h22a swap

[Drew]

HKS EVC-VI

/thread

[ChevSSCamaro67]

I fixed location and title for you.

[x JoKii]

thank you, i'm obviously new to this thing

[x JoKii]

help is greatly appreciated

[Drew]

if the motor is in stock form and the turbo is nothing special, then WG springs should be fine. Other than that HKS EVC-VI

Keep in mind if your detonating you need to go to smaller springs, or set the boost lower

/thread

[x JoKii]

i googled that and it says boost controller, is it also a turbo timer or is it one in the same? its not stock and i've been told it is something spceial but not to put out there what it is? if that makes sense. not trying to offend if that does just people lookin out for me i guess

[Drew]

oh my bad I was thinking BC.

HKS turbo times type-1/0

both are good, plus any blitz t-timer.

[x JoKii]

is this a good air/fuel gauge? http://www.optionimports.com/inwiafgakit1.html

[Joker]

is this a good air/fuel gauge? http://www.optionimports.com/inwiafgakit1.html

Thats exactly what I have. They are bad ass, but thats more for tuning not really a turbo timer

[x JoKii]

im getting a GReddy E-Manage Ultimate for tuning for my birthday in 4 days. is an air/fuel gauge still necessary?

[06MREvo]

I've had Greddy turbo timers over the past 6 years in my present and previous cars but I was also able to use the Ignition harness which made install a ton easier...no cutting and soldering wires...

But since you have a turboed honda I'm pretty sure they don't make ignition harnesses for turbo timers for your car so you will have to wire a turbo timer into the ignition wires yourself...not that hard but not fun at the same time...To be honest turbo timers all do the same shit...I wouldn't spend more then $100 shipped for 1...hope that helps...

is this a good air/fuel gauge? http://www.optionimports.com/inwiafgakit1.html

That is a great wideband but are you going to be hooking that up to a laptop and tuning your car yourself? If not then I would suggest not spending the $$ on that when you could get a great working AEM UEGO wideband for around $220 shipped...

[06MREvo]

im getting a GReddy E-Manage Ultimate for tuning for my birthday in 4 days. is an air/fuel gauge still necessary?

haha if you are tuning your car an A/F gauge is very necessary...

Why are you getting emanage and not Hondata S300???

[x JoKii]

i was told by a couple different people the E-Manage Ultimate has more tunability. and they are pretty much the same price. I've got a laptop coming for my birthday also to tune it with. i know people who will do the wiring and shit for me and my friend james(burgundy) told me andrew could tune my car if necessary. so should i go with the air/fuel gauge i posted seeing as im gonna tune with a laptop? if you have any info on s300 vs. E-Man please let me know, im still debating and open to opinions

[04srt]

i was told by a couple different people the E-Manage Ultimate has more tunability. and they are pretty much the same price. I've got a laptop coming for my birthday also to tune it with. i know people who will do the wiring and shit for me and my friend james(burgundy) told me andrew could tune my car if necessary. so should i go with the air/fuel gauge i posted seeing as im gonna tune with a laptop? if you have any info on s300 vs. E-Man please let me know, im still debating and open to opinions

No need to spend $400 on that A/F gauge when you can get the one 06MRevo posted for $220....

[EVOIXMR]

I have the Greddy Turbo Timer also, and like it alot.
Although my alarm has a built in TT also.

All it does is run the car at idle for a predetermined time so the oil/coolant can cool the turbo off before it shuts the car off.
Only thing is for a manual trans car, you have to keep it in neutral when you leave your car, Which i dont like much..
I like to keep it in gear when I park. I just dont trust the ebrake cable alone.

In all honesty,, you could just let your car idle for a minute or so after you run it hard before you shut it off..
But for first turbo car, I'd get a TT,just in case.

BJ has the AEM UEGO wideband A/F guage, and I have the Innovate LC1 WB w/ xd16 guage.
Both are good, I think the AEM is a tad cheaper.

[97SpyderGST]

Don't beat on the car for the last mile before you park it, and a turbo timer isn't necessary.

I second the LC-1. I've been running it for the last 2 years, and have had almost no problems with it. Their tech/support is second to none.

[Blwn_By_Twins]

Turbo timers are a waist of money. If you plan on beating on the car then switching it right off then you need one. Even if you run your car down the track 5 times in a row, by the time your back to your parking spot it will have cooled sufficiently. That being said they're only $99 avg so its cheap and wont hurt anything either. I never had one on my car and it never had a single problem.

[Blwn_By_Twins]

I have the Greddy Turbo Timer also, and like it alot.
Although my alarm has a built in TT also.

All it does is run the car at idle for a predetermined time so the oil/coolant can cool the turbo off before it shuts the car off.
Only thing is for a manual trans car, you have to keep it in neutral when you leave your car, Which i dont like much..
I like to keep it in gear when I park. I just dont trust the ebrake cable alone.

In all honesty,, you could just let your car idle for a minute or so after you run it hard before you shut it off..
But for first turbo car, I'd get a TT,just in case.

BJ has the AEM UEGO wideband A/F guage, and I have the Innovate LC1 WB w/ xd16 guage.
Both are good, I think the AEM is a tad cheaper.

You don't even have to to that. Just drive the car normally for about a mile or so and your fine.

[Drew]

i was told by a couple different people the E-Manage Ultimate has more tunability. and they are pretty much the same price. I've got a laptop coming for my birthday also to tune it with. i know people who will do the wiring and shit for me and my friend james(burgundy) told me andrew could tune my car if necessary. so should i go with the air/fuel gauge i posted seeing as im gonna tune with a laptop? if you have any info on s300 vs. E-Man please let me know, im still debating and open to opinions

Your best bet is to find out what your tuner thinks is the best. You can get any ECU, and if your tuner can't tune it, it's worthless. So just go with what your tuner knows best.

[Blwn_By_Twins]

your best bet is to find out what your tuner thinks is the best. You can get any ecu, and if your tuner can't tune it, it's worthless. So just go with what your tuner knows best.

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[BULLITT]

pics or ban

[06MREvo]

You don't even have to to that. Just drive the car normally for about a mile or so and your fine.

True...If I'm driving normal and not getting into boost at all for the last mile or so I'm driving I don't even use my turbo timer...but if I am in a rush and drove the car a little hard before then ill set the turbo timer for like 30 seconds...AND if you do buy a turbo timer and use it there is no reason you should set it for anything higher then 30 seconds...


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Agree also...No offense to anyone in MB toward their tuning ability but I would suggest researching some more on the Honda forums and find a legit tuner...Find and read reviews on different tuners...look up dyno/track results from cars they have tuned...Don't just let someone in MB say oh yeah I can "tune" that...I am still going to suggest that you look more into the Hondata S300 over the Emanage...I'm sure if you search on a honda forum you will find S300 Vs. Emanage threads if not then make a thread yourself...

haha For example...this is what i found just typing S300 vs. Emanage in Google...

http://www.honda-tech.com/showthread.php?t=2425825

http://www.zerotohundred.com/newforums/honda/263207-hondata-vs-powerfc-vs-emanage-vs-crome-vs-haltech-vs-unichip-etc.html

http://www.clubcivic.com/board/showthread.php?t=69088

[Josh]

I use an Apexi TT. Cheap and small. Never had a problem with it and I got it used over a year ago. Mine is set on 2 and half minutes and I let it run every time I get out of the car, unless all I did was move it in the driveway. I had 2 turbos fail in a row due to "coking" in the turbo. Basically the oil cooked. I switched turbo brands and put in the TT and have been fine ever since.

[NSRT4]

Dude I got an innovate wideband for 150.

[NSRT4]

TTs FTL

[x JoKii]

my question is, who around here tunes? like charlie is gone to the best of my knowledge and when he came back for a weekend like two months ago i asked him to help me and he blew me off so that fucked me over. i've been running on a shitty tune for months now =/. i've been told(i say that alot cuz im new to this) that when you take and engine apart and put it back together you pretty much have to get your car tuned again? idk right now my boost gauge is reading 7psi at peak boost. i wanna change that but i also want my car to not run like shit. supposedly(saying this cuz i have no clue) my idle air control or whatever, isnt even hooked up, i dont have an o2 sensor, and some other shit like a random staple in something? i bought my car used obviously. my car idles and sounds like shit when it does it floats between 800 and 1200 like vvvVVVVvvvVVVVVvvvvVVVVV (used to describe sound?). idk its got alot of problems. but back to the beginning, who around here tunes? and is good at it?

[04srt]

My car idled like that a few years ago when I blew of all my vac lines. How much boost do you want to run through a Honda motor? I thought 7-8 psi was normal on a stock motor.

[~MyLemon~]

you do not neet a Turbo Timer just let the car run for a couple mins. then shut it off..... save money!

[x JoKii]

well my motor isnt stock so i was thinkin like 10 and 12 max for a daily drive and track at like 16-18? see thats my problem though, i dont have the patience to wait a couple minutes, and 90-100 bucks seems chill with me instead of my turbo being fucked =/ but the opinions are appreciated and i'll consider all my options

[06MREvo]

well my motor isnt stock so i was thinkin like 10 and 12 max for a daily drive and track at like 16-18? see thats my problem though, i dont have the patience to wait a couple minutes, and 90-100 bucks seems chill with me instead of my turbo being fucked =/ but the opinions are appreciated and i'll consider all my options

haha 16-18 psi?? Not trying to be a dick but are you really worrying about "track" psi when your car is running like shit?? To be honest it sounds like you have a lot of boost and vacuum leaks (among other thing) that are making the car run like crap...you need to work on getting all of that fixed before you even think about getting a tune...If you take your car in the condition it is now to a shop to get "tuned" they will add on at least $250 to fix all the the random shit that you need done...The link I am posting below is from a shop up North that my brother is going to take his car to get tuned...obviously you won't take your car up there but at least it gives you 4 Steps of things to do/fix/look into on your car before taking is ANYWHERE to get tuned...

http://www.evans-tuning.com/tuning.html


And in response to your "tuner" question. SIGN UP ON HONDA FORUMS!! Go through the vendors list on the forums, read reviews, talk to local honda guys that have boosted cars and see where they went, look up different tuners on the forum, read reviews from them, look up dyno/track results from cars they have tuned (like i posted before)...to be honest you will not find someone in MB to tune your car...more then likely it will be out of state NC, GA, or FL...forums are your friend...you can learn from them...read and learn...

and to your turbo timer question again...honestly i think you might as well get one...$90...you wire it in or have someone else do it and be done with it...every time you get out of your car let it run for 30 seconds and be done with it...

[~MyLemon~]

Get a DD before you even think about racing!!! and yeah Fix all your Problems..... spend your money on fixing your car before you waste your money buying a Turbo Timer..... And you say you dont have the patience to wait...?? Maybe you should of got a All motor car>>>?? You should really think about either getting rid of the car for a Reliable car or getting a DD deff.! If you daily drive that car you will run into problem after problem...... Alot of money to maintain a car like yours...... take it from me i know.....

[Drew]

well my motor isnt stock so i was thinkin like 10 and 12 max for a daily drive and track at like 16-18? see thats my problem though, i dont have the patience to wait a couple minutes, and 90-100 bucks seems chill with me instead of my turbo being fucked =/ but the opinions are appreciated and i'll consider all my options

If you don't have the patience to sit and wait a minute for your car to cool down, then you really don't patience to properly take care of the car. You want 10-12 psi daily? This is your first turbo car correct? you need to keep the boost down until you learn how to drive the car at a lower boost before you crank it up.

Like everyone else said. Make sure the car is in working order before doing anything else to it, or else the problems will get worse. You also need to do some research, because it's pretty clear that you know nothing about this car other than it has an engine swap and a turbo.

Jump on the Honda forums, search Google, and learn. Drive the car some at low boost a learn how to drive that car.

If that is too much for you sell the car.

[Joker]

I guess shitty beat up limos, and multiple account names are the cool thing to do now.

This isn't the same JJ.

[Drew]

This isn't the same JJ.

Fixed. You better be right.

[pimpsmurf]

Bring your car out to conway tuesday afternoon/evening and I will look at it.

The EMU is nice, but the hondata stuff is easier for your platform. Don't get into boost at all right now. Granny drive the shit out of it until you get it tuned.

I will give you my number to set something up.

-jny

[BULLITT]

well my motor isnt stock so i was thinkin like 10 and 12 max for a daily drive and track at like 16-18? see thats my problem though, i dont have the patience to wait a couple minutes, and 90-100 bucks seems chill with me instead of my turbo being fucked =/ but the opinions are appreciated and i'll consider all my options

Do you know for sure what is done to your car or are going by what someone said?

[Drew]

Do you know for sure what is done to your car or are going by what someone said?

My guess is no.

[x JoKii]

i have a list of whats in the motor and jasen at etc took a look when the head was apart and said he saw what the list said. thanks for all of your help and i will try to fix my car first, im new to this shit so without your guys' help i wouldve just done something stupid as shit. i'll try honda forums but they just confuse the hell outta me. so what you guys are saying is, fix shit, then tune, then tt? let me know if im missing a step...

[ChevSSCamaro67]

Tune again after TT.

[x JoKii]

so why not tt before tune? just asking not to be a smart ass but becuz i dont know these things =/

[04srt]

Tune again after TT.

Why tune again after a turbo timer...no reason for that

[NSRT4]

no turbo timer. fix it tune it and drive it.

[NSRT4]

TTs internet/lingo/sucks

wtf. :guns:

[x JoKii]

hugo you wanna come over again and help me fix it? i'd rather do this shit myself instead of paying labor charges out the ass somewhere else

[ChevSSCamaro67]

Ah, I'm used to TT meaning twin turbo.

[pimpsmurf]

Come out to conway and I will look through it with you man.

[x JoKii]

okay well i work most of this week so when i find out what days i have off i'll get some money together and hit you up and see what we need

[DatsunZ-17]

john hey it me chris graham! yo a turbo timer is good for ur turbo when u tunr ur car off it stays runnign for idk 1 to 2 minutes depending on what u put it at and really all it does is cool ur turbo down so it will last longer.

[Drew]

john hey it me chris graham! yo a turbo timer is good for ur turbo when u tunr ur car off it stays runnign for idk 1 to 2 minutes depending on what u put it at and really all it does is cool ur turbo down so it will last longer.

FYI running your car at idle for the same amount of time will yield the same results.

But if you read anything posted in this thread you'd see that we went over this

[x JoKii]

i could deal with waiting around to let my car idle but its so annoying cuz it sounds like ass =/

[NSRT4]

hugo you wanna come over again and help me fix it? i'd rather do this shit myself instead of paying labor charges out the ass somewhere else

yeah just gimme a call

[x JoKii]

sounds good to me, just make sure you bring your passport this time =P

[NSRT4]

sits in my car 24/7

[x JoKii]

hahah that was hilarious
but i got to drive your car so i was happy =)

[04srt]

Ah, I'm used to TT meaning twin turbo.

Yea i thought u might have been thinking TT...twin turbo honda haha. I guess it isnt impossible since there are TT kits for srt 4's

[BULLITT]

i could deal with waiting around to let my car idle but its so annoying cuz it sounds like ass =/

its a honda :violen:

[x JoKii]

i like having more then 9mpg =P

[Heapashifter]

i like having more then 9mpg =P

That's cool. I'm sure 98% of the other vehicles on the road do too.

[ChevSSCamaro67]

i like having more then 9mpg =P

I get 28 :dunno:

[Drew]

i like having more then 9mpg =P

I get 30

[BULLITT]

i like having more then 9mpg =P

I do too. And 4 more cylinders

[pimpsmurf]

I get 6mpg :(

[NSRT4]

Yea i thought u might have been thinking TT...twin turbo honda haha. I guess it isnt impossible since there are TT kits for srt 4's

that was pointless :banghead::beatup:

[x JoKii]

ok i failed lol

[04srt]

that was pointless :banghead::beatup:

What was pointless? The DCR Twin turbo kit uses two E1 turbos (basically stock turbos) and makes 500+ whp...granted it had a lot of other stuff. But it would make 400+ on my car

[06MREvo]

ok i failed lol

failed how?

[04srt]

ok i failed lol

failed at what? what happen?

[06MREvo]

failed at what? what happen?

does he need to be asked twice aaron...come on...haha...

[04srt]

hey you beat me by seconds shut up lol.

[NSRT4]

What was pointless? The DCR Twin turbo kit uses two E1 turbos (basically stock turbos) and makes 500+ whp...granted it had a lot of other stuff. But it would make 400+ on my car

yeah but it was still pointless...u can achieve the same hp levels with a single bigger turbo for half of what the twin turbo costs. lol

[pimpsmurf]

Twin Turbos propperly sized give the response of a single small turbo with the high rpm flow of a large turbo and more efficiently (less heat, more power per psi, etc)

TT's are good shit when you have enough displacement to make it work. IMHO

[NSRT4]

Twin Turbos propperly sized give the response of a single small turbo with the high rpm flow of a large turbo and more efficiently (less heat, more power per psi, etc)

TT's are good shit when you have enough displacement to make it work. IMHO
we talkin about neons

[04srt]

yeah but it was still pointless...u can achieve the same hp levels with a single bigger turbo for half of what the twin turbo costs. lol

I think it is cool. From what I read the two cars (twin and single turbo) will be comparable drag cars. It is just something different that i like.

[x JoKii]

i failed by saying something about gas mileage and all the v8's get great gas mileage

[x JoKii]

or according to the posts in response they do

[x JoKii]

apparently i also have a broken cb axle

[pimpsmurf]

CV = constant velocity
CB = radio truckers use

[BULLITT]

Nothing against you Jok but it sounds like someone got the best of you on buying this car. Told you about how fast it was and its so built you shouldn't tell anyone what is done to it, but yet you are running into problems. Which may be why they got rid of it? :dunno:

[NSRT4]

cv = constant velocity
cb = radio truckers use

i think we know what he meant.

[pimpsmurf]

i think we know what he meant.

Maybe some of us.

[NSRT4]

Maybe some of us.

sucks to be you then :leright:

[x JoKii]

he didnt tell me not to tell anyone, hugo did. and idk no one spelled out what kind of axle it was i just thought i heard cb, sorry? yeah, its got a shit ton of problems but its my first car and i wanna work on it, thats what i wanna do so it really doesnt bother me that there are problems, i wanna learn how to fix them, not give up and never learn

[BULLITT]

props to you for that. That is the best to learn, get neck deep in it.

[NSRT4]

i wanna learn how to fix them, not give up and never learn
good, if you need help hit me up sundays